Jan 7, 2010

Posted by Robert Littal The Dean Of NoHology in Featured Articles, Men, Relationships, Women | 22 comments

My Dissertation on Black Women

My Dissertation on Black Women

What is ironic when I posted a picture of Reggie Bush on the cover of Essence shirtless on BlackSportsOnline I did it because I thought women would like it.  Little did I know the controversy it would start.

I have Google alerts set up so I know any time people are talking about me or any of my various projects (you will be shocked how many people mention break lamps and nohos in a day).

In is very rare that a twitter conversation sets off an alert, but after the very long debate on the plight of the black women sparked by the Reggie Bush cover (Essence is a black woman magazine and many black women did not like the fact that the Bush was selected for the cover because he isn’t dating a black woman and the issue was on Black Love).

As the alerts kept coming in one thing became clear I was being portrayed as a:

“Sexiest misogynist black woman hating a-hole”

Instead of trying to answer every black woman as a whole I have decided to write my dissertation on Black Women.

I ask you to read with an open mind and feel free to make comments below.

1-      Love should have no race attached to it.

It was just how I was raised.  That love is color blind hence the phrases like “Black Love” has no meaning to me, but I think when black women say “black love” what they really mean is:

“Black Men have hate for Black Women, so we need more black love.”

I get that.

Black men who look down upon black women or think that dating/marrying women of a different race somehow makes them “better” have serious self esteem issues.

What those black men are saying is that they “hate themselves”.  It more about the fact they don’t like what they see in the mirror and the project that attitude toward black women.

Unfortunately there are a lot of black men that feel that way, but I would counter that there are many more black men even if they do date outside their race do not do it as a slap in the face to black women, but like me they just like dating hot women regardless of color.  If she is black great, if she is something else that is great to as long as she is nice and attractive.

Don’t let a few bad apples spoil the whole bunch.

2-      Black Men shouldn’t be punished for trying the women buffett

This isn’t something I feel is exclusive to black men, but people in general.   In some countries they have arrange marriages, now think to yourself how you would feel if your mate was already predetermined.

Some black men feel if they don’t date black women specifically that will be branded as the black man who turned his back on his race or who hates and devalues black women.

As I stated before there are black men who deserve this title, but for the ones who don’t it is a terrible burden to bear.

Some black men just like women.  Doesn’t matter the race, because the only race that matters to me is the “Fine Race”.

No one should be told what preference they should have and shouldn’t be stereotype for whatever that preference is.

The only loyalty a black man should have in regardless to his relationships is to be the best man he can be to whoever he chooses to be with.

If black women choose to narrow there search to just black men that is fine, but don’t hold that against the black man who doesn’t do the same.  That simply isn’t fair.

As I stated on Twitter.  Just because I sample the women buffet table and you just want to eat chicken don’t be mad at me when I am full and you still are hungry because all the chicken has run out.

3-      Why do you care who anyone dates?

Regardless if a black man doesn’t date black women because he hates them, he prefers others or he just happen to meet someone that wasn’t black why do you care?

I remember I was out with some buddies at Hooters once.  I very attractive black woman walked in with a man who look just like Kevin Ferderline.

Immediately my friends were up in arms.

“How dare that black woman be with that white man there must be something wrong with her.”

I am calmly turned to them and simply said:

“Why do you care and why does something have to be wrong with her?”

The point I am making is worry about your own relationships and don’t make blanket assumptions on others.

Just because someone dates outside of their race doesn’t make them an alien or someone who hates their race.

Even if it did, it isn’t any of your business.

People in general are nosey and like to pass judgments.  If they worried as much about uplifting themselves as oppose to downgrading others they will be in a better place. This isn’t just a black woman problem but a societal problem.

Worry about yourself not what the next person is doing.

4-      The Mirror doesn’t lie

The statistics say 42% of black women are not married.

So understandably people want to know why.

The convenient excuse is “the black man” or a “lack of good black men”.

They are waiting for their perfect black man, but alas there aren’t that many around they say.

I don’t knock preference.  If as a black woman you want to married a black man more power to you.  Far be it for me to say you have to date outside of your race, not my place.  If you want to wait for that perfect black man I wish you luck, but I am going to let you in on a secret.

Whereas I am sure the main preference of a lot of black men is to have a black woman in the interim they will have no problem dealing with a white, Spanish, Asian, Karadashian or blue avatar woman.

And if any of the above treat them well they will wife them up and never look back.

The first thing people should do not just black women,  when trying to figure out why they are single, in a bad relationship or not married should do is look in the mirror.

During my twitter debate over 100 black women chimed in (I went back in counted) and some of them I know personally.  While they were taking shots at black men some failed to mention the following:

A-     One only dates athletes.

B-      One says she can’t date a man making less than 100gs a year.

C-      One goes to the club every Friday/Saturday 52 weeks in a row.

D-     One proclaims loudly she has cheated on former boyfriends.

E-      One claims to be a feminist, but openly admits should would sleep with rappers if approached.

F-      One is dating a married man.

G-     One has a bi sexual girlfriend she doesn’t want to give up.

I could go on, but you get my point.  The thing is I don’t knock any of those things.

Once again if you want a 100g man or a NFL player more power to them, because it is their preference, but don’t complain about the plight of black women when the reason you are in the situation you are in is because of you and you only.

As a black man I have more “built in” excuses than any race male or female in the world.  You know how many times black men are told they can’t do something because they are “black”.

If as man I fed into all of that negativity and blame game it would be impossible to be a success in our society.

Racism is real, just like ignorant self hating black men are real in regards to how they treat and feel about black women, but you can’t use that as an excuse for the failures in your relationships.

Don’t focus on what black men can do better, let him worry about himself.  Worry about you being the best person you can and you won’t have to look for happiness, happiness will find you.

5-      This isn’t a war

Someone asked me this and I skirted around answering it because it didn’t have anything to with the point I was trying to make , but I think it is important to talk about now.

The question was if two women were equal in every way and one was black and one was white which one would I choose.

The answer is easy.

100 times out of 100 times I would choose the black woman.

But that is hypothetical situation that can never happen because no two women are created equal.

So you just have to go with your gut feeling and it is easier to do that when you don’t feel pressure one way or another.

I am very careful on how I speak on issues like that.  Very careful not to be disrespectful or call anyone out of their name (even though shockingly women have no problem calling me a lot of things).  This isn’t a war and I am not trying to be insensitive to the feelings of black women.  My daughter is black and I would never want someone disrespecting her because of her race or devaluing her.

But I try to teach her that value and self worth comes from within not what some man thinks.

I apologize for all the horrible black men that are out there.  If I could I would beat them all down for you.

I apologize for all the nohos that are giving black women a bad name.

Sometimes when I tweet or write I am so focus on bring attention to some of the foolish things some black women do I forget to also focus on the many positive things black women do.

I understand it is hard.  All I have to do is look at my boys and how they treat women to understand it definitely can seems like dire straits in regards to black men/women relations, but it won’t get better if we continue to blame and fight with each other about something as trivial as what race we are dating.

It is a known fact that almost all my major accomplishments have been assisted by the help women and more times than not black women.

So I don’t want the reputation of being a “black woman hater” because that isn’t the case.

I am an honest person and maybe to a fault very blunt and direct.  To the point sometimes my thoughts come off as harsh and insensitive.  Especially in a social medium such as twitter where you can’t write a 2000 words article to explain everything you say.

If there is one thing I wish I could go back and change is when I said:

“I DON’T CARE ABOUT THE PLIGHT OF THE BLACK WOMAN.”

It isn’t that I don’t care, because there are real issues out there for black woman that definitely need to be address. Real serious issues and some of those issues are because of black men.  I am not naive I understand that.

What I don’t approve of are black women who blame there every problem on black men, because I don’t believe black men can be used as a crutch for every problem of the black woman.

I find it hard to believe that black women would not agree with me on that point.

I have my philosophies and my opinions, but none of it is based off hate, but based off trying to bring people to a truly color blind society.

That might be an impossible goal, but for the sake of our future as black men and black women I hope that isn’t the case.

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  1. I think the real issue is the Black Family Unit. It is currently in disarray. Far too many single blk mothers that don’t have a partner to help them help the family succeed.

    • I agree with you, the black family unit right now is under attack and the worse attacks are from within. I just wish we could get it right

    • But wouldn't we have to know and establish what this black family looks like? There is no such thing as set family from any race and to believe that is wrong. I am not trying to bash your opinion, but I have been having issues with the term "Plight of the Black Family" or things of the such. Which family are you talking about, because my parents are divorced and my father remarried and had a child… doesn't mean the family is screwed up. Me and my siblings has parents (all 3) who loves us dearly. So what if we don't have the 2 and a half kids, we are not in any plight or in disarray.

      To say that there is a "Black Family" is acknowledge that there is a
      "White Family"
      "Asian Family"
      "Hispanic Family"
      There is no such thing as this. And to acknowledge it is innately racist. How would you feel if you was Mexican and I said to you, "How can you fit your 10 other family members in your apartment building?" You'd probably get mad, but then I'd respond by saying, well isn't that the Hispanic family? Would I be wrong?

      But let's assume that there is such thing as an set structure for the American Black Family, who would you model after?
      NYC Black family?
      Upstate New York Black Family?
      Middle class Atlanta Black Family?
      Low-class Welfare Black Family?
      Hollywood on Rodeo Drive Upper Class Black Family?
      This Single Mother Headed Family? Low? Middle? Upper class?

      And then you realize that black people don't just live in America so are you talking about?
      The Nigerian Muslim family?
      The German National Black Family?
      A Black Family who lives in the slums of England or South Africa?
      Or how about Afro-Brazilians in Brazil?
      Or those who live dirt poor in Haiti?

      Again, I am not bashing or making fun of your opinion because everyone should be heard. However, the one point I am trying to make is just saying "black family" is pointless because your family is not mine or any other black family on this planet. It is the equivalent of calling a Japanese and Korean person not only "Asian" (caz they are, but the same. We may have the same features or come from the same region but doesn't mean we are the same.

      I mean I see blk families in my street and they are full of two parent blk house households. We have to judge families on a case-by-case basis because if you give me 100 disarray blk families, I can see your 100 and raise you 1000 white families in disarray in predicaments far worse than single blk mothers (mostly families based on domestic violence, alcoholism, and drug abuse). We should take note of the main article and not make it a race thing, more so a family structure issue. The things that breaks down family are color blind, addressing those problems AND solving them should be color blind as well.

  2. Robert I love your writings and the fact that you for the most part attempt to be neutral on certain issues. However, I do not expect you to understand the frustrations that some black women feel when it comes to this issue, simply because you are not a black woman, at least not from what I can tell. Before you think that I am one of those women who can't stand black men dating white women know this; my maternal grandmother was a pale faced, blonde hair, blue eyes, stark feature French woman, my maternal grandfather on the other hand was the darkest Trinidadian man that I have ever seen, my paternal grandfather was Filipino. With the Reggie Bush issue I have not read the article in Essence so I really can't speak on that but I can't wrap my head about what he has to do with black love. Had the magazine chosen a black guy who was in an inter-racial relation, a black guy in a homosexual relationship, a black guy in a divorced family relation, a black guy who is a widower, or something close to the above mentioned then I could see black love. To simply put a football player who is dating a hungry for publicity chick where one can question the realness of love to me is just a bit overwhelming. I have no problem with brothers dating women of other races but I detest however, is when they attempt to make me as a black woman feel inferior to the race that they are dating by claiming that black women have too much drama, that black women are ghetto, that black women are ugly, that black women have too many kids, that black women are simply not wanted. Believe it or not some of these women are only after the fame and fortune, if some of them were not then why the hell are so many brothers in the hood or ghetto not getting the white girls? Why do they simply pass them straight in the mall? Why are they not snatching them up as soon as the are released from prison. Why are they not there with them at the unemployment line? I am not saying that all interracial love is not genuine but we are talking about the celebrities here not everyday life.
    It is a complex situation, if when you suddenly hit the top and you then realize that the person who look more like you is not refined enough then something is wrong. Some of the blame lay at the feet of my sisters, because for too long we have accepted the myth that being a black woman means that you look like Harriet Tubman and that we are ugly, that we do not look refined or sexy enough until we have on a lace front, that our noses are too broad, and our lips too thick, we have huge behinds and are dumb as a door knob.
    Black love is more than who you love it is how you love and until black men can love themselves we are in a lot of trouble. Love knows no boundaries and no colours however, Love does know what is true love.

  3. That in my opinion is a problem with bout black men and women just having casual sex without understand the responsibility that comes with in. Definitely agree. Women in general should be aware of who they have unprotected truth

  4. agreed

  5. Another great article Mr. Littal. I personally believe there's a lot of bitterness attached to some of the comments you've been receiving. People in general never want to deal with realities of their own lives. This is why so many people are attracted to fame and celebrity BS. Women, stop letting society dictate who you are and you'll be better off in the end.

  6. Just wondering, you guys ever get tired of discussing the blk man/blk woman/non-blk woman situation?? (Apparently I don't get tired of asking that question either…LOL). It would be one thing if any new thoughts were coming out, but it's the same questions and the same answers. the same resentment and the same bitterness. In short, the same general bullshit. (If anyone is wondering, i'm African, but I was raised in the U.S.)

    Robert: I'm glad you asked "why do we/you care about who is dating who?" i've been expressing that sentiment around this website (ironically, i can't stop coming here because the viewpoints are so far from mine.)

    Finally, an aside, but related: the "black community" title is a gift and a curse. The gift part is obvious, but the curse part is this perceived loyalty we must have to one another in every aspect. we are NOT the same, we do NOT owe each other anything purely because we're the same race, and that includes dating. As a blk woman i shouldn't (and to be clear, i DON'T) feel the need to justify my interracial dating to anyone and I don't feel like a traitor. I don't care who Reggie Bush or any other blk man dates. We are individuals and individual decision makers. It's bad enough that non-blacks do it, let's stop with expecting all of us to do the same things, want the same things, etc. this isn't a club. The world is full of beautiful people. Tis all.

  7. This wasn't something I wanted to discuss. As I said I posted the cover thinking chicks would dig it then was blasted for doing so.

    Then to curtail the personal attacks I wrote the dissertation to clean things up.

    You seem to agree with the majority of what I am saying

  8. Stephanie says:

    Loved this article Robert!!! I agree with pretty much all that you were saying. I feel like this issue is just tired!!! We all need to stop blaming our problems on others and start focusing more on ourselves. I truly believe if you keep a positive mind, you'll get positive results. Keep spittin negativity, it'll spit right back on you! That is all…thank you

  9. I do agree with the majority of what you're saying, my post was directed at the people who disagreed with/ attacked you actually. the "you guys" wasn't really directed at you. I'm on your side buddy, i'm on your side. LOL.

  10. Your analysis is so missing a key point. You say that many black men are just want to date women who are a part of the "fine" race. However, you neglect to analyze what constitutes "fine." If you dared to take a closer look you might find that what many black men deem "fine" are characteristics that are closer to white than Black. For example, there is no denying many black men's fascination with black women who are "redbones"; "high yella" ect…with long straight hair whether weave or real.

    Rarely do you see a Brown or dark brown black woman held up as beautiful. You yourself are a huge perpetrator of this. Thus, when you see black men are attractive to women who are a part of the "fine" race maybe you should do so more critical analysis (assuming you have the mental capability). It is a contradiction to say that black men are attracted to the "fine" race without acknowledging that the definition of "fine" is often measured against characteristics that are endemic to non-black women–particularly white women.

  11. Fine should be have "you" define it not society. Just cause society says something doesn't mean you have to believe.

    My uncle told me long time ago to "trust your eyes and your eyes only".

    Meaning if you like it that is all that matter who cares what anyone else think. I am on purpose didn't define what is "fine" because that is a personal choice.

  12. That's a somewhat naive response. We are influened by what we see everyday. Take a look at televesion, magazine ads, ect… The black women who are talked about and shown as beautiful tend to be light skinned , long hair, ect…. In contrast, Black women who are deemed ugly are usually dark skinned, short hair,ect… Why do you think so many black women get "weaved up?" Or put a chemical in their hair to straighten it? So they can look closer to the "ideal" standard of beauty. Person choice is rarely personal. Your statements to the contrart are mypoic at best.

  13. I don't claim to understand, but just like I wouldn't expect you to understand what a black man goes through it is my responsibility to worry about what I am doing first before passing blame on anyone else.

  14. I totally agree with your post. The unfortunate thing is that there are movies and print media that perpetuates feelings that we should date in our own race like it's 1949… and it's the blk people who still live like they live in the jim crow era.

    I think the one thing I think we should all take away from our discussion on this subject is:
    If you have enough time and energy to talk about another relationship, then wouldn't you think it would be better spent looking for your own partner? If you like em blk, then damn it look for them instead of bitching about some other couple. It really just shows that you are not only jealous, but envious of what you don't have. Not cool and childish.

  15. Honestly, I don't even care who Reggie or any other person is dating. No one is checking for Reggie Bush other than Kim Kardashian, anyways. If he paid the same attention to his game like he does to her, he might just be a better ball player.

    But in reference to your article, there are some good points. If Black women as a whole, focus on bettering ourselves and each other, rather than tear each other down the first opportunity that presents itself, we wouldn't care who is dating who. We'll also have more of us married and happy, not single.

  16. i can't be bothered to read that whole thing, because there's really no point. Black women are not a monolith. noone will ever be able to explain them fully because there is too much variety and are too many nuances.

    with that being said, i thought i would note that 4A-C all describe Kim or Khloe Kardashian. however, Reggie Bush and Lamar Odom have no problem dating them. it's a problem if a Black women does the exact same thing. therein, lies the issue. there is a double standard and Black wome always get the short end of the stick.

    another example, Black women have had phat @$$e$ and thick lips forever. put them on a non-Black women and all of a sudden, it's the thing, the whole American beauty standard excludes Black women.

  17. all of this is compiled with higher standards placed on Black women. they can't marry up or at their level, but it's standard practice for white women. the message is Black women just needs to settle.

    there are just a host of double standards that would frustrate anyone. i'm at the point that it is what it is, but my patience keeps getting tested when people want to tell Black women what is wrong with them and/or get over it. don't trivialize the issue.

  18. Good article, can’t see how anyone can have an argument with it!!

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