Dec 3, 2009

Posted by Robert Littal The Dean Of NoHology in Featured Articles, Men, Relationships, Women | 29 comments

Black Men + White Women = Truth

Black Men + White Women = Truth

You might not like what I am about to write, but it needs to be written and I think I am uniquely qualified to handle this subject.

Until I was 14 years old the only white women I ever saw was at my mom’s job.  Then I was shipped off to a private catholic predominantly white High School where in four years there was only seven black girls that attended  the school (and they weren’t cute).  From that point I moved on to The Ohio State University the second biggest university in the United States.  In my four and half years there I was expose to every type of woman known to man.

I grew up in the hood (Natural Bridge & Kingshighway in STL ask about me) & now have lived in the Burbs of STL for the last five years.  I’ve been in the music industry & now currently in the sports media.   Two of the most corrupt industries in regards to how women are treated regardless of race.

I have traveled from coast to coast.  North, South, East and West I have seen it all.

I have friends who might have gotten married strippers pregnant and friends who are just like “Tiger Woods”.

I have dealt with  females of a broad spectrum.  From the bottom of the bottom to the top of the top.

So when I break this down I am basing this off years of not just my experience but the observations of others.  There are four main reasons why black men deal with white women (when I talk about white women I am talking about any woman that isn’t black) and I am about to share them with you.  You may or may not agree with them and you can feel free to comment below:

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Reason #1- White women are easier to deal with than black women.

This could be considered an urban legend, but the perception for some black men is that black women are difficult to deal with.

Another way to look at that is that black women won’t put up with as much BS, but since we are talking about men we will stick with what they think.

These black men think that white women are easier to get, easier to manipulate and easier to seduce. 

As my friend James told me once:

“With a white girl when I tell her I am going out all she tells me is to be careful and never blows up my phone.  With a black girl she is constantly paranoid and it gets old.  I rather keep a white girl and just screw around with black girls they are too much to deal with.”

It doesn’t appear to be any “hate” toward the black woman just more of these black men believe it will be easier not to deal with them.

This type of black man has no problem “breaking lamps” with a black woman or hanging with a black woman but when it comes to “relationships” he will take, in his mind the easier route of dealing with a white woman.

Now how accurate this assumption, that white women are easier to deal with is up for debate, but there are black men who truly believe it. 

Reason #2:  White Women are all they know.

I call this the “Tiger Effect”.  You are a product of your environment regardless of your race.  Black or not if all you see around you 24/7 are white women you will probably be more inclined to date white women.

When I was in high school all that was around me were white girls.  So I had dated white girls.  It wasn’t that I didn’t like black girls it was that I didn’t have any to choose from.

Of course when I got out of high school my selection expanded, but for some black men it never does.  If you grew up around white girls, went to school around white girls you probably going to prefer white girls.

I have absolutely no issue with that.  It is just a preference normally not breed out of anything against black women.

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Reason #3: Black Men that want to be white.

This is the most disturbing reason.  There are some black men who just don’t want to be associated with being black.  So they do everything they can to disassociate themselves away from their race.

One major way to do that is to have a white woman on their arm.  Their reasons for dating white women have more to do with how they feel about their race as oppose to their preference of women.

These type of black men  say things like this:

“I would never date a black woman I don’t want to seem ghetto.”

Of course I believe these black men should be punched in the mouth, but I digress.  Personally I don’t care what a man’s preference of woman, but to exclude a race, based on your own self hate is very weak minded.

These type of black men rarely have anything positive to say about black women instead they constantly looking for negative aspects about them.

In reality they are talking about themselves but they deflect their self hate on black women.  Which if course says more about them as men than anything else.

They are so concerned with trying to be something they are not, that can’t see the good, not just in black women, but black people in general.

These are the type of black men who give other black men a bad reputation in regards to this debate.

Reason #4 – She is hot

There is this contention from some black women that:

“Black men should date within their race.”

That is foolishness.  Men should date the best person for them regardless of race.

If there are two equal women in all areas and the last determination is looks, I am going with the woman who looks better.

On the flip side if two women looked exactly the same I am going to choose the woman who I feel is a better personality match for me regardless of race.

Sometimes it isn’t complicated it is just some black men are color blind when it comes to women.

It is just a peference nothing more, nothing less.

Once a black woman asked me:

“What race do you prefer?”

My answer:

“The Fine Race”

She seemed confused for a minute, but it triggered with her that I didn’t have a preferred race.

 Some men just like women regardless of the shape, size or color.

I mean this in the bottom of my soul.  If the earth was invaded by a race of green alien women I would be the first one trying to get my “pimp focus” on as long as she had a pretty smile and I could teach her about football.

Just call me Captain Kirk Littal.

Hopefully that gives you some insight and you can feel free to weigh in on the topic either here or on the Break Lamps Twitter.

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  1. Live by the white girl, die by the white girl. If this was a black woman (if he was so inclined to date one) she wouldn't save all these text messages, voicemails and pimp her story to magazine. Think NBA and NFL players dont creep with a black woman or two? Don't see them on urban magazines flaunting it. They know the game and aren't flipping the script on you. (Unless you screwed them over maybe).

    But hey, a cocktail waitress? They are like Hooters girls in that they want to get paid for their bodies but too scared to take it off. You mess with people who have just as much to lose as you. Say the girl who values what her parents think of her. May not be as much as your endorsement deal but it means enough to her to keep her mouth shut.

  2. I get what you're saying but sorry, what does your comment have to do with this post?

    • It has everything to do with #1, thinking white women are easier to control thus less of a headache in the long run. And the second paragraph is just my take which is why it was separated.

  3. OMGEEEE! Seriously , its just a Preference! I mean…why do some men like Women with Long Hair? or Light Skinned Women? or Women With Big Asses? Or TALL Women? Its a PREFERENCE…Who they’re attracted too. They happen to be attracted to White Women…BIG DEAL!
    What’s your reasoning on Women that DONT Date Black men? I’d like to hear that….

  4. ~Brittani says:

    Although I COULD very well be over-looking a few points…I don' t think the "White Women Are Easier to Deal With" reaosn is valid…AT ALL! Given…I am not a black man (or a man at all for that matter), but I think that is an EXCUSE to justify what men feel inside is wrong. I personally don't see anything wrong w/ interracial relationships [and in YOUR words, I will neither confirm nor deny that I dated a Columbian for 3 yrs] and having said that I don't think interracial dating needs an explanation at all, IF you're dating the person genuinely b/c that is who you care about. However I do believe that drama is something that you find in a PERSON… not a race. Yes, they're are some insecure black women…but I've witnessed 1st hand crazy snow bunnies as well! And prime example, if the "Tiger Woods Situation" would've happened and Tiger was married to a black woman…*sigh* PUULLLLEZZZZ! She would've been ALL KINDS of wrong for "going ghetto" on him and chasing his "lamp breaking" butt down the street w/ a "9-iron" So having said all that, I dnt agree w/ the "black girl" drama thing….but then again, as I previously stated…I am not a black man.

  5. If you only date white women and your a black male, your a complete cornball, sell out who can't bag chicks. Your probably dating some fat white slob or you got money and you think she likes you for you. All the while her family is calling you nigger.

  6. First off good read……In the late 80's and early 90's i know the whole white girl thing in my opinion was based on sex & curiosity… Im 39 yrs old and most black women my age just werent as sexually free as the white women were back then…. You could date the baddest sistah on the planet but She was not playing the "BRAIN GAME" But that white girl…….. She had major Brain skillz. and was just as curious about being with a brotha as we were about them…

  7. N.I.A.naturally says:

    Good post!! It's interesting. I have a few black girlfriends who grew up in predominately white areas, and attended PW schools, and they have dated white men. However, their preference is still for black men. They don't exclude white men, nor do they exclude black men in favor of white men. I think that's what bothers a lot of us sistas. Sometimes, it comes across as black men excluding black women to be with someone "better." I don't believe that's the case, at least not in every black man/white woman relationship.

  8. I think u do have to find the right person for you, but at the same time don’t stero type black women..ie attitudes, getto..etc

  9. As a white male that is also a fan of the Captain Kirk approach to dating women, I'd like to know about why Black women do not date white men. Oh and white girls are not easy…there was a snow bunny reference that was correct, some are NUTZ! Trust me on that.

    • Lots of reasons; for me personally, it was primarily the thought that white men didn't find black women attractive. Black women, you have to remember, are very aware of the euro/caucasian standard of beauty and that most men, regardless of color, seem to adhere to that when choosing partners.
      historical wariness, cultural unfamiliarity, and loyalty can be factors as well.

    • I tried to go out on a date with white men and didn't feel any chemistry on my end towards them (but they oozed it towards me). Usually the first time a guy (white or otherwise) cause me his "African Princess" or "Nubian Queen" I just think they are trying to piss mommy and daddy off (or in the case of the 50-60 year old white men that hit on me, that their parents are dead and now they can relive that moment from their youth when the opportunity to date out of their race presented itself, but they passed it by because they would be written out of the will).

      I tried a date or two out of my race, but they didn't make it to first base, hell they didn't make it to the game park. I had the most chemistry with a mixed (mom was white dad was black) guy and really cared for him….turned out he was married though, go figure huh.

      I typically stick with my Brothers because in the long wrong they understand me and "have been there", and the experience that we share joins us in a way that another man could potentially learn to understand, but my Brother would relate and I love him for that.

  10. Some blk women for the most part will never get or accept why a blk man will date outside of his race. It's very hard to accept that a man for the most part wants to be with a fine woman. End of story. That's the blessings of being visual creatures. We tend to be color blind. Kim Kardashian…fine, Beyonce…fine, Jessica Biel…fine. And the "live by the white girl by die the white girl" comment how quickly we forget a sister by the moniker of Supahead. How many brothers did she slay w/ her books?

    Men who fall into reason #3 = should kill physically themselves because mentally they are dead.

  11. I am a 57 yr old white female that grew up and grew old in these days of Black on White and have observed a lot… I would like to put in my 2 cents worth ,,, however it will fill more than a comment box,, With the Authors permission I would like to write a small blog for you to post here,, with your approval first of course.
    If it would be OK email me with your email and permission,, and I will return it by email for you to decide if you would like to post.
    Thank You Dixie

  12. Littal,

    This is one of the most fair and balanced views I have seen written on the subject. I agree that people should be with who makes them happy. I have friends who have married interracialy and in their own race and I wish them many years of happiness.

    Also I feel blessed that the love of my life is an African America male and I am so happy that we will have beautiful black children. Her hair will be tightly coiled like mine and his skin will be creamy milk chocolate. I will teach them their rich history and that black is beautiful. My family will mirror the family that I grew up in and that makes me happy.

    But that is what makes me happy… I have to respect what makes you happy:-)

    Bee

    • Some may disagree with this, but I have a daughter and I never say "black is beautiful" or try to do anything out of the way to remind her she is black. I tell she is beautiful and beauty comes from the inside.

      I truly want her to be color blind. I don't care who she dates as long as that person makes her happy. I don't want her to feel like she has to act like anything but herself and that is ok.

      • If that works for you then I say go for it. I know that is what important for me to know about my race and what made me unique. I grew up in the south and in a majority white environment through grade school. My parents did not teach me that I was different… my school mates did. In a perfect world race does not matter… but even now as a mature adult in one of the most diverse cities in the world I still face co-workers and managers who see me as different. I will prepare my children for that… I don't want a clueless Tiger Woods on my hands.

      • I can understand your want of that "color blind" effect, but I don't know how realistic it is. The world is full of color and even if she doesn't see it…others will see it on her and you can not protect or influence how the world will receive her. I wish for a world where I wasn't separated as an African American, but just an American with as much history as anyone else in this melting pot of a nation we call home. I will continue to hunger for it because it is the world we live in. Do what is best for you and yours and I will look forward to looking back on this era and time with my son or daughter and I pray I love the decisions they make in their life about the person they love as much as I love him/her.

        • Swirlgirl says:

          and in this melting pot society, isn't it more important that our children grow up learning to believe that beauty is on the inside? After all, few of us are 'pure' any nationality/race/ethnicity.

  13. HoustonDiva says:

    As much as I prefer to have a black daughter in law one day, I think my son may end up with a white woman. At one point in my life, I may have been offended at this. At this point, I understand all too well. Excellent article.

  14. no, here's the most disturbing parts: why we keep discussing this over and over or why we even care at all. same shit, different day, no? like i said in the other blk men with $$$ + white women topic, NOTHING NEW. It's the same discussion with NO presentation of new ideas. If we're going to have this debate over and over, why not throw in something that maybe isn't talked about as much. I might be wrong (i believe someone threw this thought at me once), but how come no other ever talks about why blk women and asian men rarely date outside of their race. People are responding to these topics like they're hearing these thoughts for the first time and be honest, you're not. LOL.
    As a foreign black woman (born in West Africa and raised in the US), this debate/conversation has confused me for the longest time because i've never felt any loyalty to same-race dating. I also went to a predominantly white private high school, I live in a predominantly white upper middle class neighborhood, I went to a top tier university (yes that is me tooting my own horn) and honestly, I still have no racial preferences in terms dating, I just like men. End of story. I think my upbringing played a significant role more than anything. My parents never pushed ideas, beliefs, feelings of inferiority (just saying) on me at all. We live in a world with such beautiful (inside and out) people and at the risk of sounding like a hippie, i urge you to fall in love with the HUMAN race.

  15. So all you black men share the same p/h/u/c/k/i/n/g brain???? Most of you think Black Women are a challenge?
    Well that tells me you are a bunch of lazy asses who don't want to work at relationships with black women or society has done a number on emasculating you to view non-black women as more favorable.
    Good luck to you. Choose who you want, but don't go saying black women are a challenge or are difficult. It's black women who you turn to when those same non-black women revolt.

  16. Heres what gets me about the black women vs white women dating thing:
    If a black man is strollin with a whitegirl on his arm most black women give comments and dirty looks. HOWEVER if a black woman is dating a white man other black women either have nothing negative to say or actually offer encouragement.
    None of the 12 black women in my family had sh** to say when Halle Barry married Derek Zoolander but they ALWAYS say something when they see an NFL player's wife.
    The truth is there are plenty of eligible black men that will date black women. As for me my fiancee is white and im a black man. I have dated black women in the past and for whatever reason those relationships didnt work out. I have also had white and latina relationships that didnt work out either. But the main thing is that i tried dating within my race and just because those past relationships didnt work doesnt mean that i would go white and never look back. If for whatever reason my current relationship doesnt work out then i would still be open to dating black, latina, or white women because i know better than to judge all the women of a certain race by one or two bad experiences. We should all know better than that; especially black men and black women.

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